Weather Footprints

Verification › Experiments

Thunder: one summer or three?

Finished · 15 November 2026

The question. Does training the thunder calibration on three summers (2023–2025) instead of one make it better, or just different?

Data

Summers 2023, 2024 and 2025 (1 June – 31 August), 276 00z runs, all 31 members, against airport thunder within 50 km: 26,583 station-days at day 0 (1,033 with thunder) and 25,721 at day 3 (1,033). The 2023 and 2024 runs were downloaded for this; the 2025 ones were already in use. Same model as before (see thunder nearby), fitted by the production calib_fit.

Results

Summer 2025 onlySummers 2023–2025
Runs92276
Day 0 BSS+0.082+0.149
Day 0 AUC0.8660.892
Day 3 BSS+0.053+0.104
Day 3 AUC0.8560.852
Day 0 coefficients (intercept, best LI, log rain)−4.870, −0.508, 1.179−4.849, −0.692, 1.054
Day 3 coefficients (intercept, logit share)−2.539, 0.716−2.609, 0.719

What worked

More data. The coefficients barely moved, yet skill on held-out weeks nearly doubled: with one summer the weekly cross-validation was fitting on few events, and each held-out week was judged by a noisier fit.

What did not

Nothing failed outright, but the day-3 ROC area did not improve (0.856 → 0.852): more data made day-3 chances better calibrated, not better at ranking days. Ranking at day 3 is limited by the forecast itself.

What we changed

The live thunder calibration is the three-summer fit (from 15 November 2026), and the weekly refit keeps adding summers as the archive grows.

Caveat

All three summers are scored by cross-validation within the same period; how it does on summer 2027 is the real test, and the Verification page will show it.